“judging from his comments he hasn’t looked at the data”
You know this? Are you sure? He’s Mr. Thorough and backs up all his assertions with real data etc, etc, but he somehow just decided not to even look at the “scientific data” you allude to about 9/11.
Scottie, this is Chomsky’s area of expertise…if anyone on the planet knows more about CIA coverups and various and sundry plots of evil American administrations, it’s this guy. He has talked ad nauseum about the ins and outs of why 9/11 was a result of bad U.S. foreign policies, etc…and so have you.
Every claim in the Loose Change video (speed of the fall, explosions, etc.) has either been explained or is irrelevant, but you refuse to look at these points of view because it doesn’t fit with your own world view.
Chomsky, who you have claimed to be quite knowledgable about the when the where and why of terrorism and 9/11 (who shares much of that world view), believes that the evidence is not there.
Yes Chomsky is fallible, but so are we all. Your failure to concede some of the most basic points just shows how deeply emotionally you’re looking at this.
I’m just taking (and I think Chomsky is as well) an Occam’s Razor approach to this. The hijackers in question had the motive, had expressed the motive and the desire; (and according to you, Chomsky, and many others I don’t agree with, we obviously deserved it because of our illicit activity around the world).
These terrorists had attacked us before; they had the means, and they had the opportunity, and it’s simply too much of a stretch for me to believe that they NEEDED or WANTED inside help for this to happen. And with the preponderance of evidence that says there were four planes hijacked by 19 Saudi’s that did it…I unfortunately don’t find that hard to believe.
I also don’t think that any reasonable person would believe that whoever would be responsible for the inside job (Bush, Cheney, the Prince of Darkness, etc.) would come to the conclusion that two planes hitting the World Trade Center at 9:00 in the morning and killing hundreds of people wouldn’t be enough. Your contention would have to be that the buildings (including WTC7) apparently had to come down in order to fulfill the conspirator’s wishes. That doesn’t logically follow for me.
And AGAIN, the science doesn’t add up. We’re not burying our heads in the sand, and Chomsky certainly isn’t. THE EVIDENCE IS NOT THERE. THE FACTS ARE NOT THERE.
Are there some things that are unexplained? Sure. Evidence of a conspiracy? No…sorry. You’re better off going back to saying that we deserved it anyway because of our EVIL foreign policies then referring to a REPEATEDLY discredited set of theories that it was an inside job.
I’m done with this because (like Chomsky) I believe it’s a waste of time. There are other more important issues to discuss; you can still argue how EVIL the U.S. is without this. Promise.
I’ll still disagree with you on a most of these things, and will respond accordingly; but this is beneath you…move on.
I have a one word refutation of any and all 9/11 conspiracy theories: Oprah! Any real conspiracy of this magnitude would require close coordination of numerous government agencies in several different parts of the government (military, DOT, etc) and would involve dozens if not hundreds of workers and officials. Anyone think there are that many people in the government who wouldn’t turn down tens of millions in a blockbuster book deal, Oprah, etc if they “came clean” with evidence? And as for the inevitable “omerta” argument, there are plenty of billionaires who would love to have this stuff proven to take down Dubya, and would gladly protect anyone who brought forth evidence.
My feelings exactly. The main reason I agree with Chomsky on this point is that not only is it not likely and there had to have been a leak, but it simply isn’t necessary.
Essentially, Chomsky feels that the U.S. (or whoever) doesn’t need to have pulled off this big conspiracy, however unlikely, in order to be guilty of “Imperialism”. Therefore it’s a waste of time to entertain these unlikelihoods without any real evidence.
Me, I feel that it’s the fault of Bin Laden, al Qaeda, etc, and it’s a waste of time to entertain these unlikelihoods without any real evidence.
If every explanation for the conspiracy has an alternate explanation in line with the “official” explanation, then why waste time with maybes and 50/50 polls.
Chomsky starts by saying “Did the Bush admin plan 9-11 or did they know anything about it? This seems to me to be extremely unlikely. For one thing, they would have been insane to try anything like that. If they had, its almost certain it would have leaked…”
These were Chomsky’s words, and the cornerstone of your refutation, Butch.
He’s arguing hypothetically.
He did not say anything definitive like “the Bushies had nothing to do with it” or “I have read the 9-11 commission report and found through dialogues in the scientific community that the science contained in the official report is valid”
He did not say these things, so it seems that he might not be aware of the critics’ assessment that the official version has holes.
Start with something simple :
how is it possible that a steel-structured building fell at free-fall speed ? how did WTC #7 fall? The leaseholder admitted the damn thing was pulled, AKA demolished. I mean these are basic things, not exactly rocket science.
I actually have evidence of the squibs … if you know what that means. I have photos of the squibs below the collapse line …
refute this one thing, the collapse at free-fall speeds . you cannot change the laws of physics. pancaking cannot occur at free-fall speeds, and if you find one engineer or physicist who claims this, you have found a rat.
the introduction of leaks, oprah winfrey, double negatives, modus ponens,anything else, i dont care about ; all red herrings
explain the free-fall of the buildings for me, and how concrete dust is formed , and i will never again litter this blogsite with my conspiracy trash ….