Israel lovey dovey list–No comments

Here’s the list of points we can all agree on on the Israel/Palestine issue; to request additions, deletions, or edits, please comment here.

* Israel is guilty of human rights atrocities in Palestine
* US military support of Israel has been largely unconditional
* Suicide bombing is a bad idea for everyone involved
* Israel has built cities that never existed (Tel-Aviv)
* Israel has the most PhDs, patents, and NASDAQ companies behind US and Canada.
* The Average Arab in Israel can vote in the Israeli parliamentary system, if the party he votes for recognizes the state of Israel.
* Israel has not always been friendly to the US or UK.
* Israel attacked the USS Liberty.
* Irgun was an extremist militant spinoff of Haganah; it was considered a terrorist group by the British for its role in attacks on British installations.
* In Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, the average citizen has little or no say in how his country is governed.
* Israeli occupation of the West Bank does nobody any good.
* Building a fence within the West Bank is illegal.
* Israel’s nuclear arsenal is evidence of a double standard with respect to non-proliferation.
* Hamas’ charter does not allow for the existence of Israel.
* Haganah was formed to defend Jewish settlements from Arab attackers, and was not a terrorist group.
* Palmach was an elite fighting force of Haganah.
* Lehi (synonomous with Stern Gang) was result of yet another split of Irgun and was even more extreme.
* Haganah cooporated with Irgun forces in the Arab/Israeli war.
* Menachem Begin, the leader of Irgun would later become Prime Minister of Israel.
* Yitzhak Shamir was a member of both Irgun and Lehi and later became Prime Minister of Israel.
* Ben-Gurion was a member of neither Irgun or Lehi, but the “Jewish Agency” which ran Haganah after 1929.
* Israel’s image in the international community would be greatly helped if it stopped :
-extra-judicial assassinations
-house demolitions
-collective punishment
* Palestinian groups should recognize that the American people in the Unites States view them with disdain.
* Palestinian groups should change their tactics to win over the American people.
* Instead of launching quassams, Palestinians should pursue non-violent resistance, much like king or ghandi.
* A change in policy (to less violent means) from Palestinians could very well influence a change in policy from the US on the federal level.
* Oslo accords grant PLO the same obligations of other Arab States to abide by UN resolutions.
* Israel and the PLO have equal responsibility to abide by UN resolutions (General Assembly or Security Council).
* Israel’s responsibility to self-preserve supercedes its responsibility to abide by UN resolutions.
* Fatah was founded as a secular political party for the purpose of the liberation of Palestine, and almost immediately became a terrorist group.
* Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa’s Martyrs brigade (an arm of Fatah), and Hamas are all terrorist groups.
* Yassir Arafat was the eventual leader of Fatah.
* Mahmoud Abbas was supported by Fatah in 2005.
* In January of 2004, a 10 year truce (hudna) was offered by senior Hamas official Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi in exchange for Israel’s complete withdrawal to the 1967 borders.
* a 10-year Hudna is not a recognition of Israel’s right to exist.


4 Responses to “Israel lovey dovey list–No comments”

  1. scottie Says:

    i must say that all points represented are non-controversial, and logipundit you did a good job on the inception and implementation of your idea


  2. scottie Says:

    after re-reading i will offer one comment in response to the building of cities never there before :

    “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”

    — David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

  3. Logipundit Says:

    so take the cities thing off?

    The only two questions are:

    Was Tel-Aviv built on an Arabic village? And were there other cities also built where there were no cities before? If the answers are yes, no, then it is accurate.

    should I delete it?

  4. scottie Says:

    another correction

    the groups that terrorized the british did so while the british still had the mandate power over palestine

    king david hotel was blown up in 1939
    israel wasnt a country yet

    the stern gang, the haganah, the palmeh, the irgun were all terror groups

    2 future israeli prime mininsters belonged to these groups …

    please correct the statement, as israel did not terrorize the british

    zionist groups did prior to the establishment of israel as a state

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